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Sleeper Service · Aug 20, 2007, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Sleeper, it just seems to me that you just can't handle this game putting females in the light in which they're cast....as desireable. Perhaps you want a game that is more fitting of reality?

How about a new character class called Career Mom? Prim attribute: Neglect. Elite skill Invoke Cell Phone, effects are "for the entire time this character is driving their ginormous SUV, they have a 90% chance of a critical hit on any character in the area, friend or foe."

Or how about a character class of Whiney Computer Nerd, whose specialty is complaining about things not being exactly the way they want and bitch to everyone within earshot?? High percentage chance of interrupting the enemy, but at the cost of their teammates taking longer to cast spells because they're too busy telling you to shut your cakehole.

If you're a prude, why do you even play the game? Didn't the box covers and promotional art of Eve, Nika, the ritualist, etc turn you off of the game before you even purchased it? Why buy a game that is promoted by TnA only to come on here and complain about it 2 years after it was released? seriously now...

Sorry you fail, i don't fit into any of those so called categories. and i'm NOT complaining im SUGGESTING and SUPPORTING the viewpoints of someone who want nothing more than a little variety/choice in the way their chars look. Now stop talking down to me you little snot and try to understand what is being said not what you would like to hear.

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

To be a little more cordial, I'll agree with the more variety sentiment and support the personal choice and opinion of wanting more modest armor. I'm all for it...what I'm mostly referring to is the large scale talk of this game catering to horny young men by making all female armor "revealing"...and making the female character meshes "ideal". Sure, they cater to young men. Fine. It sells games, it makes money. But they're not only catering to young men. If that was the case, then all characters would be female, or they'd make all the male characters bland and unexciting. No...they make the warrior males big, buff, imposing. They make the male mesmers and eles(aside from their dance) appealing to the more mature female/homosexual male crowd. They made the male Paragon...which is a Chippendales dancer at best. It's on both sides...not just females. Complain about the lack of armor choices, don't complain about what's already there saying it's inappropriate. I see no armor that shows nips(on a female) or bush, I see no nudity. The jiggle effect...eh. Adds to the realism and is only noticeable when you're looking....so don't look. If you're looking, then either you're interested or you're trolling, searching for stuff to complain about.

Not ONCE have i said that i find it inapropriate stop trying to put words into my mouth. I've more than aptly explained my viewpoint on this issue, you don't understand it? fine. TROLLING? COMPLAIN? youre the one insulting people here and now you have the nerve to complain about my so called complaining *which you've pretty much made up.

Get a grip friend. you are coming across as a Grade A Ass.

MithranArkanere · Aug 20, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50

There is a problem with one side of this discussion.
They claim the want more 'variety' but there is already such variety.

From this:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Necro..._Fanatic_armor

To this:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Necro..._Pattern_armor

All profession have variety inside their own fixed style.
That style is there so professions can be quickly and easily recognized in PvP.
You can't have an elementalist dress like a dervish.

ibex333 · Aug 20, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

Dear ANET,

It has come to my attention over the course of several months that many of the female armors are a bit revealing. It would seem as though the less a female is wearing the higher the level the armor. Now, being a female gamer I find it a bit disturbing that many of the female characters are depicted as (please take now offense to this) stripclub dancers.

I had been dealing with this in my own way, mostly by playing as a Dervish, but recently I stubbled across a picture of the new Norn HeroJora. Her outfit disgusted me! It left me wondering if there would be anything left to the imagination after the release of GW:EN or GW2. Is it at all possible for you to design armor that is great looking without making me feel like I need to cover up my computer screen everytime someone walks into the room?

I really hope that something could possibly be done. Maybe introducing a "Design Your Armor" contest where contestants can design rather great looking armor without that stripper feel to them?

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying to do away with all the rather showy armor...but instead to introduce some armor for the more conservative female gamers who do not like to have warriors following them through towns yelling "Dance for me! I'll pay!!" Not to mention getting the dirty little whispers that makes a woman's spine shiver.

The Concerned Female Gamer...
Dervish Gnome

You are forgetting about the fact that half naked girls are one of the most common elements of video games... It is what draws teenage boys who have no life to these games in the 1st place! (might get flamed for this one) But it's true! I even read about that in one of those articles that dissect people's psychology.

If you want to change something in the video games, how about you look right under your nose first? Come outside... See how girls dress these days! At least half of them look like s*uts and ho's. If you want more of this, look at some of those sites like myspace.com (one big ho-fest). That's just the way our society is right now, and what's worse no one gives a damn. That's ok. I stopped reacting to these things. As one wise king said, "Everything passes, and this will pass..."

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE NAKED GIRLS! However, as you say, girls need to leave something to the imagination. When a girl shows me EVERYTHING right away, she's really only good for a one night stand. Definitely not girlfriend material.

I'm glad you're not like "the rest". I'm glad you're a "decent" girl that realizes there's something wrong with this picture. Well... What can I say...
Can you be my girlfriend? (jk) I'm looking for someone like you, but I just cannot find a single "decent" girl in a sea of s*uts and ho's.....

PS: If you ask me, Jora is not even all that "indecent". If you do a google search for female characters in video games, you will see much "worse". There's an online book called "girls of video gaming" or something like that. Check it out, and then tell me something about "leaving something for the imagination".

Curse You · Aug 20, 2007, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

Last time i checked angels were not giggleing and jiggleing blond bimbos running round in high heels.

When was the last time you saw an angel?

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Elementalist deal with the elements.
They are the most 'bare' profession, but for them, cold and heat are NOTHING.
They could go naked in Far Shiverpeaks without even noticing the cold, and walk near the magma withouth feeling the burnt... until they get in the magma... everyone has their limits, XD.

Anyone playing this game should know that.

They also seem to be big on "fashion". In Istan the fashion is strips of cloth bras, whereas in Cantha the fashion is knee length dresses.

draxynnic · Aug 20, 2007, 02:25 AM // 02:25

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

See? With that the fainthearted and those with fake morals can cover up the wondrous models Anet designers made without bothering other kind players.

Mithran,

Could you please tell me exactly HOW other players would be bothered by the Tyrian armour set being made available at Istani armourcrafters? We've already had testimony from people saying that this has negatively affected their enjoyment in the game - how does introducing a choice (which, from ANet's part, probably requires no more effort than changing a few switches on the crafter NPCs) negatively affect the rest of the playerbase?

Seriously, I'd really like to know just what the basis of your disagreement actually is. Because at the moment, to be bluntly honest, I'm not seeing anything more than an unjustified kneejerk reaction.

Lyonette · Aug 20, 2007, 03:24 AM // 03:24

lol... this thread is ridiculous, people complaining for the sake of complaining...

there's options for everyone in this game. for people who like scantily clad armor and for people who like heavy duty armor.
don't chastise the rest of us for our own preferences jus because you have a problem with one particular armor. quick fix. DONT CRAFT IT. omg how easy is that!?

go get female elementalist ancient armor or something, and build a bridge....

draxynnic · Aug 20, 2007, 03:29 AM // 03:29

We have no problem with your preferences, Lyonette. We just want people who have different preferences to be accomodated as well.

ShadowsRequiem · Aug 20, 2007, 03:30 AM // 03:30

ummm why is everyone posting these thread now? lots of skanky armor has been in the game for over a year and a half yet no people were bitching about it then...

Since when did everyone turn into a Carebear?

Curse You · Aug 20, 2007, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

We've already had testimony from people saying that this has negatively affected their enjoyment in the game

It has only negatively effected them because they let it.

draxynnic · Aug 20, 2007, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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Originally Posted by Curse You

It has only negatively effected them because they let it.

That can be used as a stock response to a lot of things. Ugly armour or weapon? Only bothers you because you let it. Elite form of a standard armour missing, like, for instance, Knight's/Templar's? Only bothers you if you let it. Walking around naked in the street? Okay, you might get arrested for indecent exposure, but apart from that it only bothers you if you let it - and the risk of being arrested for indecent exposure only arises due to other people who were only bothered if you let it.

I'm sure, if I searched through your posts, I could find something that you've supported where I could throw that line back at you. And if I couldn't... well, that may suggest something entirely different.

I return to my earlier question. Can you tell me how adding already existing armour sets to Istani armour crafters as an additional choice negatively affects you?

Curse You · Aug 20, 2007, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

That can be used as a stock response to a lot of things. Ugly armour or weapon? Only bothers you because you let it. Elite form of a standard armour missing, like, for instance, Knight's/Templar's? Only bothers you if you let it. Walking around naked in the street? Okay, you might get arrested for indecent exposure, but apart from that it only bothers you if you let it - and the risk of being arrested for indecent exposure only arises due to other people who were only bothered if you let it.

I'm sure, if I searched through your posts, I could find something that you've supported where I could throw that line back at you. And if I couldn't... well, that may suggest something entirely different.

I return to my earlier question. Can you tell me how adding already existing armour sets to Istani armour crafters as an additional choice negatively affects you?

It adds an element to a campaign that should not be there. Those armours belong to the Prophecies and Factions campaigns.

Frankly, since this whole thread was started based on opinion and not fact, my previous statement hold a very large amount of truth.

draxynnic · Aug 20, 2007, 03:57 AM // 03:57

And that's your opinion - and there's no material way that it negatively affects you. You're going to see Prophecies and Factions sets in Nightfall anyway - from characters that have come in from those campaigns, even if in the case of Istan they may just be there for titles - so how does it affect you?

MithranArkanere · Aug 20, 2007, 03:58 AM // 03:58

Stop changing the topic.

First "Add more of that kind"
They tell them there are already of that kind. Plenty of them. You can see the armor galleries.

Then other say: "No, I meant change the ones already add or add filters to them" because you think they are indecent or some nonsense like that.
They tell you that they will never modify older armors like that. Maybe skin improvements and such to add shaders and things like that, but without altering the model. And that you have texmod if you want to change something for yourself only.

Now "No, I mean make those of the kind I can stand to see available everywhere".
Well, this is the first thing that could be possible. But yours is the first post that I read with that variation. In this case NO. If you want Tyrian armos, you buy Factions or Prophecies. This is how content works in Guild Wars. To have access to something, you pay.

In more of 18 months of gameplay I may have seen 3 idiots making me those stupid moves, but look at the armors I was wearing:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Necro..._Fanatic_armor
This:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Monk_Shing_Jea_armor
And this armor:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ritualist_Imperial_armor
So don't tell me that 'so called' stripper armors of yours are the ones causing those idiots to bother players with female models.
It's not what your character wear, it's the stupidity of those players. And you can't change stupidity in humans. The best example is some 'people' complaining about a bunch of pixels, claiming there should be more 'conservative' pixels. Geez.

You can already change your armor. If you don't do that an keep whining about current armors, is because you are bothered by armors of others, not yours.

End of story already.

draxynnic · Aug 20, 2007, 04:02 AM // 04:02

I'm not changing the topic. I think it's an important part of the topic.

We've given reasons why it would benefit some people. If something benefits some people and doesn't harm others, why shouldn't it be done?

Curse You · Aug 20, 2007, 04:03 AM // 04:03

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

I'm not changing the topic. I think it's an important part of the topic.

We've given reasons why it would benefit some people. If something benefits some people and doesn't harm others, why shouldn't it be done?

I think you missed the part where you asked them to give people armour that others have PAID REAL MONEY to access.

draxynnic · Aug 20, 2007, 04:25 AM // 04:25

You know, I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure a lot of the basic sets from Prophecies are available to everyone as PvP armour. And for the record, I have all three campaigns (collector's in one case) and I certainly didn't buy any of the campaigns for a single - or even, splitting it among all Core classes and both genders, a dozen sets of basic armour, which are among the plainest sets of armour in the game.

Still, you've at least given an answer to the question I was asking, for which I thank you. I don't think it's that big a deal to begrudge some of the plainest armour sets in the game to starting players when that could mean that they remain in the game - and, y'know, maybe then spend more real money themselves buying new campaigns, when otherwise maybe they'd have quit (maybe that makes them thinskinned, but as long as they're not so prudish as to demand that all scanty armours be removed, they aren't hurting anyone). Maybe one day it'll mean the difference between having a monk that responds to the LFM call in a mission lobby and not.

For the record, this particular issue doesn't actually directly affect me at all. I have, as previously mentioned, all three campaigns, and I've chosen genders and campaigns for the various professions so they all have outfits I can at the very least live with. While I've discussed the issue of children earlier in the thread, I don't have any to worry about myself, and probably wouldn't be bothered by what they might see in the game if they did. But that doesn't stop me from championing something that would improve the game for others - and one of those others may turn out to be the player of a character that pulls my character's proverbial fat out of the fire during some mission.

Curse You · Aug 20, 2007, 04:31 AM // 04:31

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

You know, I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure a lot of the basic sets from Prophecies are available to everyone as PvP armour. And for the record, I have all three campaigns (collector's in one case) and I certainly didn't buy any of the campaigns for a single - or even, splitting it among all Core classes and both genders, a dozen sets of basic armour, which are among the plainest sets of armour in the game.

PvP armour is hardly an issue. You can't take a PvP character outside of the Battle Isles (except FA & JQ). The point of armour has always been to show off. There are very few places that you can do that on a PvP character (even fewer where anyone will care).

Basically, you can't compare a PvE aspect to something a PvP character can do.

draxynnic · Aug 20, 2007, 05:04 AM // 05:04

Actually, my understanding is that the tournament points system allows you to do exactly that - acquire new skins for PvP in order to show off.

Still... consider Factions. For the purpose of the comparison, let's take the hypothesis that level design, armour design, monster design, skill balancing and story all take equal amounts of work (almost certainly false, but if anything I'd say armour design is at the bottom of the pile). So armour design is at 20% of the cost.

Each profession has 10 armour sets in Factions - Assassins and Ritualists have 12. Ignoring Assassins and Ritualists entirely, and also ignoring that the Factions elite armours probably take more effort to make than the plain Prophecies armour, you're looking at the proportionate cost of one set of armour per class as being 2% of the cost of Factions - so, maybe around the $1US mark. People save more than that by picking up the game during a sale.

To be honest, I hadn't anticipated your response simply because I honestly hadn't considered it to be an issue. But that's why I asked the question... to find out what the issues were. The explanations I'd thought of as to how it impacts other people are:

#1) ArenaNet's time that could be spent on other projects. This is why I've been suggesting adding an existing armour rather than making a new one. If they were to make a new one instead the next time they decide to make a new set of armours, that'd be perfectly fine by me. (For the record, I estimate the total time required to add an existing set of armour to a new set of traders to be less than two and a half hours from one person. Let me know if you want me to show working.)

#2) Ingame economy (okay, I didn't really expect anyone to admit to this, but it is something I saw as a possible ulterior motive). Having people who feel they're being forced to purchase elite armour (for whatever reason) does have some knockon effects - it pushes up the value of gold, it pushes up the value of exotic materials for those armour sets, and it increases demand for runs to the armour location. It's a cynical explanation, I know, but short of #3 it's the biggest influence I can think of that adding another option at the low-end would have to players who didn't choose to make use of that option.

#3) We will not speak of #3.

B E A S T · Aug 20, 2007, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Gotta love how the OP abandons this thread when more and more people disagree with her, lol.

A11Eur0 · Aug 20, 2007, 06:22 AM // 06:22

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

Sorry you fail, i don't fit into any of those so called categories. and i'm NOT complaining im SUGGESTING and SUPPORTING the viewpoints of someone who want nothing more than a little variety/choice in the way their chars look. Now stop talking down to me you little snot and try to understand what is being said not what you would like to hear.

Not ONCE have i said that i find it inapropriate stop trying to put words into my mouth. I've more than aptly explained my viewpoint on this issue, you don't understand it? fine. TROLLING? COMPLAIN? youre the one insulting people here and now you have the nerve to complain about my so called complaining *which you've pretty much made up.

Get a grip friend. you are coming across as a Grade A Ass.

Where in any of my posts did I say you specifically fit into that category? Was my first response in this thread directed towards you? Any subsequent responses likely were, only because you took offense at my first. You are not the OP...I was making a response towards the OP. IF she fits into those categories, that's her problem. Not yours. If you feel so offended by my posts, then perhaps you DO fall into one of those categories.

When I gave the "possible new character classes" I in no way implied that I was referring specifically to you. I was poking fun at reality, which this game is obviously not supposed to replicate. If you want modesty, play the Sims.